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Review: G51JX-A1 Review

 Posted - 6/1/2010 9:45:26 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

nemoboy07
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omg... peter, i just ran out 3dmark06 and i notice that the cpu score is very low i only got 2497... i wonder why.. is the intel core i5 really that slow... when it ran the cpu test it only got 1 frame per secs.. i read some in this thread wherein their G60JX got 13k something or more.. i already oc my gpu to 600/1900/1500 i cant believe i only got 10487 3dmarks... do u have any idea why?

 Posted - 6/1/2010 2:34:19 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

PJPeter
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The G60JX doesn't support the default resolution of 3DMark06 so it makes sense that the scores might be a bit higher for the graphics scores. Check what resolution that 13k score is - give me a link if you like and I'll look into it a bit for you. My guess is that it was on a lower resolution (as opposed to default res on an external monitor) and so the score was higher because of that.

It is true the i5 isn't as strong as the i7 - but its not that much less, only what 20% slower on just that CPU test? Its not the CPU score that is slowing you down much, even mine is only 3200. What you can try though is overclocking the CPU - I'm not sure how it would work with the i5, but if its like the i7 then it's possible. But that wouldn't have a huge affect on the final 3DMark06 score. The CPU tests will lag, its designed to do so - its not pushing the graphics card (unless you are using Vantage with PhysX enabled) but the CPU alone (or at least trying to).

PJPeter


 Posted - 6/1/2010 3:01:55 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

nemoboy07
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thank u very much peter..
Now i know that it is really normal to lag on the cpu test.. i am just curious why it lags on the cpu test while using i5... btw, u've been a great help for me.. thanks a lot peter.. More power godbless..

 Posted - 6/7/2010 2:19:15 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Well after owning my G51Jx-A1 for about 2 months, it feels like a great investment although a little risky. It does the work I want to do, other than the BSOD issues, but I was able to isolate the issue to the game itself, it seems to force the computer to run at full strength thus eventually resulting in a BSOD if combined with lag. Overall though, this laptop covers what I pretty much want to do which is maintain heavy graphic multitasking either with animations while gaming or mass media work. i7 was what I was looking for, there were better ASUS models but the price made it feel like it was a steal for me. Bought it at 1400CAD total (it sells at around 1700CAD right now). And yes, I have upgraded RAM too.

I thought about updating to BIOS 206, but is it worth it if the graphic card update takes care of the majority of the issues? From what I read, BIOS 206 has its own set of problems from notebookreview forums. Although most problems have had their own fix, it still doesn't address from the BSOD. Other than the usual heat issue, the only other suspicion I had were memory issues on the GFX card itself. Not sure still, although I still have my BSOD files still saved.

The keyboard "ghosting" usually is a result of keyboard typing habits in which usually our palms are very very close to the touchpad in which yes, disabling the touchpad does deal with the problem effectively. Unless you're willing to go to a zombie touch typist attitude, but that isn't a healthy way to go either.

I did read up that people were saying that the GTS360m isn't DX11 capable although I see it in dxdiag that it has DX11 support. Does this leave more options for pushing the GPU in the future? The last thing I kind of want to find out is that the laptop GPU isn't truly capable of doing more than its desktop equivalent (GT240).


 Posted - 6/7/2010 1:14:32 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hey jaid, welcome .

I'm running BIOS 206 at the moment, but I haven't played any games of late nor have I updated the graphics drivers from 197.16 - I've just been too busy with other stuff lately, so unfortunately I can't really comment on that. I can say I haven't had any BSODs in the past 2 months - but I also haven't played more than a a few hours of Mass Effect and Age of Kings so. I can say that the BIOS can be upgraded via the BIOS itself rather than any other app - some of the apps wouldn't let you put on a file that was older than the current, but I think you can do that with the BIOS. So you could downgrade if you decide you don't like 206 in that case.

I haven't had any problem with keyboard ghosting on my G51Jx in that way - I know on my Z96JS because of the way I had it setup on my desk with other things around I would need to disable it occasionally to prevent my cursor from being sent all over the place. With the N10J it sometimes just takes forever for the letters to come up on the screen after being typed - but with the G51JX it's been pretty good.

I'm also seeing that DX11 support - hmm, in general though the laptop versions aren't really powerful enough to run the eye candy that comes with the new DX version and still have good frame-rates. You can certainly try and compare your results - but probably sticking with v10 or (even v9) would give much better performance with more than acceptable graphics for that.

My suggestion on comparing with the desktop chip - I don't personally have a GT240 to compare with - I remember that some were saying this chip series in mobile was being rebuilt so much - but you could check the 3DMark and other benchmark scores for both and compare that way - but I think the GTS360M probably has a bit more to it than just being a GTX260M with new memory and slower speeds - but I don't know how much info there is on it now. When I got mine the GTS360M was virtually unknown, and the speeds and chip itself were getting slammed all over. The scores I got were more than respectable compared to what people though it would do - for the heat and clocks it reaches it's definitely worth it, especially if those add up to a longer lifespan in hardware terms while only having slightly lower performance as a full blast GTX260M.

Thanks,

PJPeter

P.S. Nemoboy - glad I could help, thank you .

Last Edited By - PJPeter on 6/7/2010 1:15:28 PM

 Posted - 6/7/2010 1:57:32 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

Nokuma
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I've been running the  new NVIDIA drivers and the new BIOS too. I have had zero problems with the G51jx-a1. I play a lot of games everyday and the laptop gets very hot. If you're still getting bsod then you should contact ASUS

 Posted - 6/7/2010 7:07:29 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

jaid19
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The BSOD only results from that one specific MMO I play, other than that, it's fine. I'll probably update it when I get more time off from work.

 Posted - 6/7/2010 7:29:24 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Interesting, what MMO is it? Would be good to know, maybe others might have been seeing or aren't experiencing the same issues with the same game.

I just bought one of those fancy new sodium chloride limited but fanless/powerless laptop coolers today to try out - probably won't do much but it was only $9 and can definitely help cooling ideally in small bursts (1 hour or so at a time).

Do let us know how it goes,

PJPeter


 Posted - 6/8/2010 2:02:06 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

jaid19
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Asda Story. Been noticing some weird things ever since I decided to experiment. I use RealTemp 3.40 to check the temperatures. It seems that when there is a lot of people around but I remain idle, the temperature goes as low as 60 celsius, but when I'm idle in an open area, it goes as high as 82 celsius. Movement or even grinding parties it'll fluctuate between 80-82 regardless of load.

 Posted - 6/8/2010 2:12:31 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Interesting, all GPU scores obviously - movement in the game is causing a lot of stress on the GPU, which makes sense since if you remain stationary there is little change on screen - but if you move not only is the majority of the screen changing but the perspective changes and things must be recalculated, etc..

Those temps are healthy though - curious what the BSOD might have been caused by, but it could be so many things. Depending on the ambient temperatures though, those temps certainly do look healthy.

PJPeter


 Posted - 6/8/2010 1:33:25 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

jaid19
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There were memory fault errors that came with this game before, so I would be under the assumption that since this game probably uses RAM for more graphics, a string of memory faults can result in it. The 197.16 driver did solve most of the BSOD issue, but there is that one situation that can easily create the BSOD. But if I wanted to make it obvious that it'll be BSOD, I'll just minimize the game, since it doesn't seem to like Windows Aero at all. About 10 minutes and voila, back to the login screen.

 Posted - 6/8/2010 5:47:18 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Interesting, in order to fix the colours in AOC I need to kill explorer.exe - if I do that the colours instantly come back to normal. So I wrote a batch file to do that each time I launch the game and to start explorer again when the game closes. You could try something like that I suppose - it also improves performance. The only problem is there is no taskbar or OS Folder Navigation if you ALT+TAB out - but everything else still works.

Just a suggestion - I know it doesn't apply 100% to what you said, but mentioning it incase it helps.

PJPeter


 Posted - 6/18/2010 7:34:46 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

MrKuenning
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Thank you so much for all of your information and review.  I thought long and hard about getting the ASUS and I finaly decided no to, mainly due to the BSOD issues.

I have instead purchased an Alienware M15X.  

M15x Cosmic Black / Intel Core i7-720 / 4GB DDR3 1066MHz / GeForce GTX 260m / 1600x900 WLED / 250GB 7200rpm / Intel 5300agn WiFi /

I bought a refurbished one off of dells outlet store.  It was listed at $1250 and I found a 15% off coupon and got it for $1087.

It doesn't have the 1080P screen but it has the 260 GTX and it has super sweet color changing lights everywhere.  As I type this a rainbow is slowly sweeping by under my fingers.

It took me several months to decide, and I was subscribed to this conversation the whole time.  Thanks again for your help, I am very happy with my purchase.


 Posted - 6/18/2010 8:40:52 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Glad the conversation was useful for you - I think the BSODs have been solved, but I can understand where you're coming from. For me the 1080P was a big priority - but 1600x900 is no slouch either - half the HDD and 2GB less RAM it's true, but with it being refurb + the coupon it's cheaper and you get rainbow lights so if you're happy then enjoy .

I considered the Alienware M15x actually, but it looked so thick on the bottom (probably just the design) and was so much more expensive new - but I can certainly understand your decision with everything in mind and my own limited memory of all the features of the M15x.

Out of curiosity, how hot does it get and is the fan on often (keeping in mind the load, of course)? Either way though, I think we're both happy with what we have .

PJPeter


 Posted - 6/19/2010 6:07:57 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

MrKuenning
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I agree with you on the 1080P screen, that was a difficult sacrifice, in fact I wanted 1920x1200, but with 99% of all laptops being 1366x768 I will take the 1600x900 with a smile.

I was actually looking at getting the X3 as my budget was around 1200 so in my mind I got an upgrade getting an i7 instead of the i5.

Also the 260 GTX is an upgrade from the 260/360 GTS.
However I cant say I wasnt drooling over the 480 GTX with double the benchmark scores.

3DMark03
360GTS - 26152
260GTX - 29794
480GTX - 44727

The HDD is small for a new computer but was never a concern for me as I have other storage means.

The computer is SPOTLESS and looks and feels 100% new. It has a sticker that says its made of new and refurbished parts. So, who knows how much of its actually NEW.

The outer case is all metal (top and bottom) it gives is a VERY strong and stable feel. The vents are both in the back and it feels very well vented.  I haven't noticed any extreme heat, I think as its the 2nd or third version of the m15x they have really ironed it out well.

It doesnt seems to draw air from the bottom and seems rather hard to smother.

I do have a few minor issues though.
The screen bezel is seamless with screen and has a plastic covering both. This looks nice, but seems to cause extra needless reflections.

The keyboard is very nice to type on and is very responsive unless its running on battery, then it seems to miss some keys.

The touch-pad looks very cool and feels nice, and has a cool light around it, but it mouses HORRIBLY! The courser moves around in a staggered motion causing a laggy look. It has a look like the cpu is maxed but its not, it concerned me at first but when I plugged a mouse in its beautiful.  So I blame the touch-pad or the touch-pad drivers.

The other issue I have is the size of the machine.  This was also an issue I had with the ASUS, Only the other direction.  The asus seemed to have extra wide bezel and was nearly as wide as a 17" laptop.  The Alienware is too deep, the front of the laptop is sloped back which is cool, but the back of the laptop is also sloped back.  This causes the laptop to be almost 2" deeper than it needs to be.

All in all, its a very beautiful, comfortable, fast, solid feeling laptop.

Last Edited By - MrKuenning on 6/19/2010 6:13:28 AM
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